The following
request for comments
is closed.
The request for comment has been resolved by enacting a
global ban
.
Hi, I'm NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh, a somewhat trusted user on viwiki and patroller elsewhere. I, among others, have been cleaning up this user's mess for a while and personally think he deserves a global ban for harassing, spamming fake files and tendentious editing.
I'm not a good writer, so pardon my English.
- Attribution for this RfC
Musee Annam's behaviour
- Some other pseudonyms
Uploading fake files and spamming
- This section needs expansion.
Tendentious editing
Being a
Chauvinist
, he edits largely for promoting Vietnam history and Vietnam in general, violating projects' NPOV policies. For example, among a handful of normal edits,
this edit
on Wikidata contains nothing but a sentence that says "
Xoa đ??ng l??i bo, b?o v? T? Qu?c
" ("
?沙、長沙、的越南!反對中國侵略東海!
" in the next one). On occasions, he even violate copyright law by pasting a lengthy text, as seen
here
. He is also known for abusing a very old way of writing that can be seen pretty clear via this instance: "
Kenh truy?n-thong đ?i-chung Vi?t-Nam
" For your information, this alias were written with three Sino-Vietnamese words in which syllables are connected by hyphens. This is a very old way of writing that cannot be found in any modern Vietnamese books and are generally no longer used, even by the elders; he chose this strange way just for promoting the so-called "
magnanimous history of Vietnam
". In some other edits, he added content that were originally made up by his own, as seen
here
. These include fake files he uploaded to Commons using multiple accounts listed below and their global usage.
Harassing
L? Xuan, Donald Trung and B?ng T?a are, among others, three of his favourite harassing targets. In my opinion, they were targetted for two reasons:
- They nominated his files for deletion, reverted or fixed some of his tendentious edits, or reported him to sysops (main reason);
- They are of Vietnamese descendants, but live in another country (
overseas Vietnamese
);
Most of his edits were suppressed or (revision) deleted, but those with advance permissions can still see some of them at (most, if not all, are in Vietnamese, I suppose):
- commons:
Donald Trung's talk page archives
(
example
),
User:Celniku
,
File:安南國王阮光平圖.jpg
,
- metawiki:
User talk:L? Xuan
;
- dewiki:
User talk:
B?ng T?a?
,
User talk:Donald Trung
,
User talk:L? Xuan
;
- enwiki:
User talk:B?ng T?a
,
User talk:DHN
,
User talk:L? Xuan
,
User talk:Rodhullandemu
,
đ?i Vi?t
Duy Dan
;
- itwiki:
User talk:B?ng T?a
,
User talk:Donald Trung
,
User talk:
L? Xuan?
;
- viwiki:
DeletedContribs of one of his IPs
,
User talk:
Thusinhviet
,
User:AlphamaBot4
;
...and some other tens of small wikis.
Outing
He has been attempting to out L? Xuan for a while now.
For example here
(only stewards or vi admins can see it).
Accounts
These accounts were taken from
c:Category:Sockpuppets of đ?ng đan Cung
and linked ones. For stewards: When closing this RfC as successful, please go to
Vandal
.
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In short, he was blocked at least 90 times on 12 wikis (commons, data, dawiki, dewiki, enwiki, idwiki, nlwiki, plwiki, svwiki, viwiki, viwikt, zhwiki) and locked globally 29 times in over 15 years, mostly for sockpuppetry, harassing/incivility, vandalism, spreading hoaxes and sometimes faking VTRS permissions, yet we see no sign of good editing (see
#Behaviour
above).
IPs
He is also suspected to use these IPs:
On Dec 23 2021, there are
6 active range blocks
that affects 2405:4802::/ IPs, and all are related to his behaviour or editing pattern:
Criteria confirmation
- The user demonstrates an ongoing pattern of cross-wiki abuse that is not merely vandalism or spam.
- Not vandalism:
Yes
- Nor spam:
Yes
- The user has been carefully informed about appropriate participation in the projects and has had fair opportunity to rectify any problems.
- Warnings from admins:
Countless
- Time given to change: He got his first blocked on Mar 18 2007 for vandalising articles after warning(s). Two of his edits back then were replacing all content with defamation: "
'''đ? NG?C?! KHONG ? VI?T NAM THI BI?T GI??'''
" (
463545
) and "
<math>'''B?N NG?C?!'''</math>
" (
467055
). Recently, on Dec 25 2021 (after nearly 15 years), he
insults
L? Xuan on cawiki (see
here
if deleted). It is clearly that he have not changed any better, only worse.
- The user is indefinitely blocked or banned on two or more projects.
- See
above
(at least 90 indef blocks on 12 wikis)
Requirements
- Required steps
- Confirm that the user satisfies all criteria for global bans
:
Confirmed
- File a new request for comment on Meta
:
Filed
- Inform the user about the discussion on all wikis where they are active
:
Done
by
1234qwer1234qwer4
- Inform the community on all wikis where the user has edited
:
Done
by
1234qwer1234qwer4
- Nominator requirements:
All?passed
See
my CentralAuth
.
- have a Wikimedia account
- be registered for more than six months before making the request
- have at least 500 edits globally (on all Wikimedia wikis)
- Please create new h3 sections below this line.
Support
- Support
I support this ban. The problem has been persisting for too long; this is the only effective way. L? Xuan (her second account) has been his main target for 1-2 years now. He has been harassing her in dozens of wikis (maybe close to a hundred wikis) for 1-2 years. Most of his insults toward L? Xuan are sexual in nature. This sexual obsession needs to stop! He is making her want to quit Wikipedia. He is chasing away one of the most prolific editors in Wikipedia Vi. This reason alone would justify his ban.
Nguyentrongphu
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03:52, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Additional info: I was once his victim last year. He attempted to harass me for months with his usual depravity in Vietnamese Wiktionary. His depravity words include incest among other unspeakable topics. I ignored it all, so he eventually gave up and found other targets (sadly).
Nguyentrongphu
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05:26, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
All of sexual harassments on Wikipedia are unforgivable.
Ihsikuyr
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09:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
我同意. --
?南江湖社?
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10:56, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
There are enough evidences that blocked on two wikis aren't enough for protecting civility environment on every projects, so a global ban is very needed. --
Liuxinyu970226
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11:44, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- @
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
:
Apologize for my early-bird notification on Commons, I didn't see that you already requested global MassMessage when I did so. --
Liuxinyu970226
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11:46, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Thank you for your notification at
c:COM:ANU
.
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
11:59, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
I support the ban because C/đ?ng đan Cung/Musee Annam is dangerous, not only in rubbish contents but also in thrashing behavior of C in viwiki/commonswiki/wikidata, attacking L? Xuan/Donald Trung (I was new to WP and not very aware of this problem, but he is a 10-year long-term abuse).
Thingofme
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talk
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13:31, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
I support the ban!
Oesjaar
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talk
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14:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
per Oesjaar.--
LATICAACID
??@PPM!??
14:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
- The user’s abusive and disrupting behaviour takes time from us all. ?
Pugilist
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14:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
- Considering all the arguments presented above. All of us have a lot of tasks to do, and a vandal just seeking for attention by destroying our work is one of the worst things we can see. Best regards and Happy New Year to all the serious editors of Wikipedias!
Joao Xavier
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talk
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14:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment
Can someone (preferably mother-tongue language translator) translates above texts into English? This would make cross-wiki checking a lot easier; but I wouldn't risk with GT translation in such important example. Thanks.--
A09090091
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14:50, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- A09090091
Most of it are too inappropriate to translate. For example, on
this
and
this
, he is saying she is a who** and accusing her of doing sexual acts with other men (including black men). He is also insulting her ancestors and outing her. There are also some really depravity materials such as necrophilia and treason. The level of depravity is quite shocking to be honest. This is just "one example" out of so many to count in 1-2 years. P/S: he is writing in a very informal way, so GG translation fails hard in translating whole meaning. However, key words still show up.
Nguyentrongphu
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talk
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01:29, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Nguyentrongphu
: Thank you very much for your translation. Your P/S makes sense now, GT responded with trash that wasn't even inappropriate. However per your answer, I still stand that every personal attack or harrasment must be disciplinary punished.
A09090091
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talk
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10:07, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
- Making sexual comments towards other users because of their gender is unforgivable.
Golden
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talk
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14:52, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
Abusive, unacceptable and terrible behaviour.
Nigos
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talk
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15:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
IMHO it is only viable thing: Le Xuan targeted also on slwiki (
[1]
).--
A09090091
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talk
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15:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
I support the ban. I think it is necessary to ban the person.
Mehediabedin
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- Support
Such behavior cannot be tolerated. (As a sidenote, I'd also think that the username (French for "Museum of Vietnam", right?) would get this guy blocked in the English-language Wikipedia all by itself.) --
Orange Mike
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talk
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18:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
--
Ameisenigel
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19:07, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
--
Holder
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talk
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19:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
-- "he was blocked at least 90 times on 12 wikis" --
Marcus Cyron
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talk
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19:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
* Pppery *
it has begun
20:18, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
. --
Jeff G. ツ
(please
ping
or
talk to me
)
20:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
Chaddy
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talk
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21:00, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
Absolutely unacceptable behaviour. Absolutely appropriate consequence. --
Bjorn Hagemann
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21:59, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- sounds to be OK,
Support
-jkb-
23:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
--
Morten Haan
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talk
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23:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
Johnuniq
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talk
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23:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment
The main known user is Musee Annam, C and đ?ng đan Cung. Why don't you choose another user (in viwiki it was known for the name "C", in commonswiki it was known for the name "đ?ng đan Cung")?
Thingofme
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00:22, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment
I have no first-hand information on this case, nor the ability to verify the claims above. Assuming the claims about cross-wiki sexual harassment are correct, then I
Support
this ban. I also want to mention that
User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
sent a message on fawiki (which is how I found my way here) and Musee_Annam
doesn't even have an account on fawiki
(that I know of). I wonder if the notifications went to unrelated projects, bordering
canvassing
.
Huji
(
talk
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02:46, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Huji
:
I checked all of his
72 accounts
manually, so if a wiki was listed, it means that he had made at least one contribution to that wiki, and in this case, using
南文會館
and
Fataobstant
. I know 2 edits is not much, but
our policy
explicitly stated that the RfC nominator must "
[i]nform the community on all wikis where the user has edited
". Thank you for your understanding.
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
10:03, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Okay, fair enough.
Huji
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talk
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13:07, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Strong support
unbelievably egregious harassment going far beyond the pale. Someone may also want to email WMF T&S given the extent of the abuse. This type of abuse has no place on Wikimedia.
Java
Hurricane
03:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
As someone who checks RC often, I have seen some of those attacks on de-WP, though I had to use Google Translate to understand the texts. This behaviour cannot be tolerated. --
O.Koslowski
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05:23, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
Keo010122
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06:11, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Strong support
As Vietnamese Bureaucrats, I've seen a lot of reports about this user and sometimes have to help report at Commons, especially about fake flags of Vietnam and neighbor countries in history (which usually he just "imagine"). He is a long-term abuse account and has a lot of accounts for cross wiki vadalism. His first account-"C", created in 2006-15 years ago! His "experience" can pass almost every sysop in Vietnamese Wikipedia. This user should be banned a long time ago, his fake flags go everywhere and destroy our history. A lot of people see and trust those fake flags. This abuse must be stopped!
Thienđ?98
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talk
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06:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
AlgoritX3
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06:24, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
I've done revision deletion of some of his edits in deWP, clear support for this global ban. --
Johannnes89
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talk
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10:04, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
es lamentable e inaceptable el comportamiento de ese usuario.
MiguelAlanCS
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10:51, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
clear case groetjes --
Neozoon
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talk
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12:36, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
--
MdsShakil
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talk
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13:29, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
. Per Nguyentrongphu, Ihsikuyr, and Golden. ?
Xena the Rebel Girl
(
talk♡
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13:32, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- I'm not entirely sure about the name choice: Why "Musee Annam" of all the socks? That said, the behavior displayed in the currently-public links
[2]
,
[3]
,
[4]
and
[5]
is sufficient to justify a global ban for whoever sent the messages.
ToBeFree
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talk
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14:58, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Three of his most famous socks are
C
,
Musee Annam
and
đ?ng đan Cung
.
đ?ng đan Cung
is a Vietnamese word, which is hard for most people to type, while
C
may cause some ambiguity due to its shortness. Therefore, Musee Annam (a French word) seemed to be the best choice for me.
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
15:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Ah, okay, thanks.
ToBeFree
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talk
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15:53, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- However, the sign in French is hard to type, and also C is easier to type
Thingofme
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talk
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01:37, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Strong support
. C (with sockpuppets) harassed many people on the Vietnamese Wikipedia and other wikis, which I think should have consequences.
Alfa-ketosav
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talk
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15:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
I don't think I'd encountered this user until just now, but I'm horrified by what I've seen of their behavior. I would think the office would ban for this as well.
Beeblebrox
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talk
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20:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
What concerns me most is his constantly aggressive and vulgar language towards other users. Non-Vietnamese speakers may not be able to understand how severe these offenses are. But the truth is that they should never be accepted in any Wikimedia project.
Greenknight dv
(
talk
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04:07, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
Easily to vote yes. --
AltesHasenhaus
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05:04, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment
I strictly oppose and reject the harassments displayed in the diff links, and if they really originate from the same person I support any efficient measures against that. But this person, if I understand correctly, uses various accounts and IP addresses, so how can this ban be enforced? How can admins at non-Vietnamese wikis verify if contributions originate from that banned person? --
Dealerofsalvation
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talk
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06:16, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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- The IP address problem is a serious one. Accounts are easy to lock indefinitely, but IPs - you can't globally block indefinite IPs. IPs are usually blocked for 6 months-3 years, the most serious one can be 10+ years of IP block. On the other hand, rangeblocks can affect multiple people, so mostly they are blocked until it's thought that this address can't be assigned into the same user.
Thingofme
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talk
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07:07, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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- That's the problem with many other LTAs too. Considering that most of his IPs start with 2405:4802: (a Hanoi IP range of which most edits are in viwiki, I believe), it is possible to block the range globally and then viwiki can whitelist it locally. Another sign is his targets: L? Xuan, Donald Trung, and B?ng T?a. Should you ever find an IP that vandal their talk page, just go ahead and report them to admins.
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
10:49, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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- The way he talks and his depravity materials (also level of depravity) are unique. It's very easy to tell actually.
Nguyentrongphu
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talk
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01:43, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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- OK, I've taken the above mentioned dewiki talk pages of the persons frequently targeted on my watchlist to do a little contribution of faster identifying, reverting and blocking the offender. If not desired, please tell me. And if you need another formal
support
, here it is.
Support
. --
Dealerofsalvation
(
talk
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07:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Strong support
Horrific long-term harassment on many wikis, not even limited to the many listed in the opening statement. --
Ferien
(
talk
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14:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
--
Lymantria
(
talk
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16:17, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
[
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- Support
--
Doc.Heintz
(
talk
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16:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
[
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- Support
.--
Vulp
???
here!
17:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
Evidence and behavior as clear as above, cannot be accepted.--
Kateru Zakuro
(
talk
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11:49, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
This is unacceptable behavior. ?
Soul Train
(
talk
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12:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
C has used sockpuppets for a long time (nearly 15 years?). Useful changes mixed with harmful changes. Should ban him from wikipedia.
Caruri
(
talk
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13:11, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
as per all of the above comment. Let's keep Wikimedia projects safe.
Em-mustapha
talk
13:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
Jianhui67
talk
★
contribs
16:03, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
[
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- Support
--
Daniuu
(
talk
)
22:17, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
[
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- Support
. Although I don't understand Vietnamese, user-provided translations and Google Translate demonstrate horrible harassment ? over a long period of time ? and I think this is enough for a global ban.
Tol
(
talk
|
contribs
) @
20:36, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Support
--
Lanwi1
(
talk
)
02:25, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Support
Per nom.
Sadko
(
talk
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12:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Support
More than enough! --
Ra'ike
(
talk
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19:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
[
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- Support
This is without a doubt one of the worst cases of harassment and insulting that I have ever seen, especially with it spanning multiple wikis as well as targeting people based on their nationality over a significantly long period of time, and per my support comment regarding similar issues at the
James Salsman global ban RfC
, it is something that is totally inexcusable. I would also
Support
a referral of the user concerned to the
Wikimedia Foundation Trust and Safety team
if that route is being taken, as this case would probably also qualify for a global ban from the WMF.
Hx7
(
talk
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19:11, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Support
Either the harassment or the sockpuppetry would be enough for the ban. I haven't reviewed the history of the harassment and will rely on the word of many editors, and there is also the sockpuppetry. Too much is too much.
Robert McClenon
(
talk
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01:21, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Support
C has been engaging in extreme harassment for years. Even if this ban is merely a formality I still think it is worthwhile to make others aware so they can be more quickly dealt with.
Hemiauchenia
(
talk
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07:42, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
[
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- Support
--
Coffins
(
talk
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19:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
--
BrunoBoehmler
(
talk
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23:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
? Sexual harassment is a big no-no. ?
Aca
(
talk
)
17:10, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
--
Racoony
RE
Message me
Contributions
18:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
--
Homo ergaster
(
talk
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20:44, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
--
Hulged
(
talk
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04:51, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
--
Ghilt
(
talk
)
14:42, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
[6]
[
reply
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- Support
--
Itti
(
talk
)
11:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
Conduct just unacceptable. --
SHB2000
(
talk
|
contribs
)
03:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
--
Eschenmoser
(
talk
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09:44, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
--
Novak Watchmen
(
talk
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13:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
[
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- Support
Anyone who so persistently violates the rules of our project and sexually harasses other fellow authors must be consequently excluded from further collaboration. There is no place for such behavior in WP. --
Unendlicheweiten
(
talk
)
01:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
--
Funkruf
(
talk
)
21:42, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Support
--
Bwbuz
(
talk
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12:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
[
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Oppose
- Oppose
I can not check anything. And this applies to almost all others as well. And yet the support section is automatically fills up.
An oppose section wasn't even set up.
Real harassment is almost always the other way round: the crowd against individual, against outsiders. In classic reversal, scapegoats are slaughtered for one's own behavior. In the German Wikipedia this can be studied using the example of the systematic hunt of the (originally) good-willed
User:Avoided
. The formal end of the story was also
here
, see my
German comment
. Who have hunted him? Right, the righteous, self-proclaimed humanists, best honoraded users, users, which have everytime the right opinion, who always know the right section... --
Trollflojten
αω
13:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
[
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]
- I did not create any only-support section. There was only one h2 section for both support, oppose and/or neutral comments.
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
13:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Some of the links are publicly viewable.
ToBeFree
(
talk
)
14:34, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
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- I get that it's not great that a lot of users can't see a lot of the links. I looked at all of the ones I could access, most of them are this user screaming weird threats and personal attacks, in Vietnamese regardless of what project they were on.
Beeblebrox
(
talk
)
20:18, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Most of all, they are attack contents in Vietnamese that are impossible to translate in English. And so, because of the destructive and unpleasing behavior of C-related sockpuppets, most of the contents are revision-deleted or suppressed (oversight) because of inappropriate content.
Thingofme
(
talk
)
01:34, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
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- Only impossible for Google to translate.
Nguyentrongphu
(
talk
)
04:30, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- @User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh: Yes, i only saw it after i had wrote (offline) my post, should have changed it immediately, sorry.--
Trollflojten
αω
11:14, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- Oppose
. I am against the death penalty--
1Goldberg2
(
talk
)
08:27, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- @
1Goldberg2
Don't you think, that By Next Insulting Nominators, Insulting the Foundation (e.g.
here
), and Insulting yourself as how you're Insulting other peoples, you may very likely to be
WMF Global Banned™
? You're already
got a 4im warn
by UCoC members, and your recent comments suggest at least me to refrain from wasting time to AGF you, better to strike your "death penalty"-like against.
Liuxinyu970226
(
talk
)
05:45, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- I am against GB for this user. What you don't like I can't catch. I see that some attempt on my talk page was reverted by its author--
1Goldberg2
(
talk
)
05:54, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- Interested in day-dreaming? The reason why I undid my warn action is lack of proper warn template on meta for your matters, not "hey you don't have problems so I don't need to warn you".
Liuxinyu970226
(
talk
)
05:57, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- @
1Goldberg2
You forget that you are being requested for a global ban for your behaviour, and this RfC had about 85 support votes, only waiting you to be banned by the community. (Fortunately for you, it hasn't been closed yet)
Thingofme
(
talk
)
07:50, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- @Does it mean that I have no right to vote right now? Or maybe I must vote only in full accordance of lefts-n-greens agenda? Let's Go Brandon... We re not welcome here any more.--
1Goldberg2
(
talk
)
09:15, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- Yep, because by this way, your comments will only lead every trusted users to believe that you're meatpuppet
Liuxinyu970226
(
talk
)
05:06, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- @
Thingofme
:
May I mind you, they are either blocked, locked or banned
yet
, and therefore retain the privileges to participate in any discussions.
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
11:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- @?vote only in full accordance of lefts-n-greens agenda“:
My oppose vote here and in your proceedings is expression of left thinking: rehabilitation instead of ever harsher punishments: human rights are inalienable (unveraußerlich), human dignity (
w:Dignity#Germany
) is equal to all, the same in quality and quantity, regardless of whether it`s the worst offender or the most unfortunate victim. Punishing someone is only permitted, if it`s necessary to protect greater values, maybe it is the case here, but I can not verifying it and the users will be banned in any case. ? I hope you can understand my text, such things I can only in German think reasonably well.--
Trollflojten
αω
13:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- I understand text and agree with ideas you described.--
1Goldberg2
(
talk
)
20:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- Fine, --
Trollflojten
αω
11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
PS:
similar in German
[
reply
]
- Fine even their behaviors match every WMF banned ones? As such, I decided to report to ca
wikimedia.org for their behaviors.
Liuxinyu970226
(
talk
)
05:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- 1Goldberg2's now globally locked.
SHB2000
(
talk
|
contribs
)
03:38, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- So should we remove the vote, as the person is globally banned?
Thingofme
(
talk
)
11:20, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- Thingofme
: No, in my view. It was made when they were a normal user without any restriction. So, I would recommend to do nothing.
Hulged
(
talk
)
11:40, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- ┌───────────────────────┘
I agree with Hulged: this
Oppose
should be kept. We should never apply the global ban policy retrospectively.
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
11:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- Oppose
A
Tet Offensive
i will never support.
Give me liberty or give me wikihate
... --
Jack User
(
talk
)
23:53, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
[
reply
]
Neutral
- Neutral
Musee Annam's Anti-fan club has many members. I'm just curious why we need another global ban for a member who "was blocked at least 90 times on 12 wikis and locked globally 29 times in over 15 years".
Leemyongpak
(
talk
)
06:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- To raise awareness among different communities, I believe.
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
10:50, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- Global ban, I think is to like formally address the block as being blocked by the community, so the stewards can globally lock immediately after checking or seeing the sights of sockpuppet. Also, global blocks can be used for ban editing for all the accounts/sockpuppets of the users. I think with the severity of the socks, I think global autoblocks should be used to combat vandalism and more easily controlled.
Thingofme
(
talk
)
11:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- Because apparently, being blocked 90 times is not enough for him to stop.
Nguyentrongphu
(
talk
)
01:41, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
[
reply
]
- Sure. But 40 Support votes vs 1 Oppose vote above is enough for an approval, so I won't change my Neutral vote. As
User:Dealerofsalvation
and the request opener comments above, I
doubt
that even a global ban is still
not
enough for him to stop
either
.
Leemyongpak
(
talk
)
02:18, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
[
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- The so-called C-style is very popular in speaking culture of some regions. I wish he would feel enough to stop bring it into writing culture here himself in the new year.
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02:45, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Neutral
It is difficult for me to express any opinions on this rfc.--
夏雪若
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05:23, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
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Bernd Bergmann
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20:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Neutral
. The initiator of this discussion has widely canvassed many Wikimedia projects,
including many projects where Musee Annam and the sockpuppets has never made any edits
. I agree with
Leemyongpak
's concerns above. I'm concerned that this might spin out from its original scope of stopping harassment and become a cross-wiki witch hunt against a particular editorial point of view that the banned editor used to represent.
Der
yck C.
15:29, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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- @
Deryck Chan
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Can you please specify which project(s) I added to mailing list by mistake?
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
15:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Cantonese Wikipedia, for example.
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Der
yck C.
16:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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- @
Deryck Chan
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Please see
w:zh-yue:Special:Contribs/Cotonkin
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NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
17:02, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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- And there are 5 of them, not just one. These are the other four:
FC12P
,
Grendill
,
南文會館
and
安南風化
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NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh
17:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Thanks. I've reviewed the edits. They have only made 1 edit each, all back in 2017. Some accounts' edits are blatant vandalism and others seem benign.
Der
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14:45, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Der
RfC nominator must "[i]nform the community on all wikis where the user has edited." Yes, one edit counts. It's not canvassing when the nominator follows the policy. It's not a witch hunt because the pov of his should not be allowed anywhere by anyone.
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21:50, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
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- One edit counts because what they think they can "vandalise" in wikis. However, sometimes people that abuse a lot of accounts, and edited in a lot of wikis, we have to inform to a lot of times (116 wikis, 643 user talks)
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02:39, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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