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Matthew Alexander on CBS Evening News with Whit Johnson, UCLA International Institute
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Matthew Alexander on CBS Evening News with Whit Johnson

Burkle Center Fellow, Matthew Alexander, appears on CBS Evening News to discuss the implications of enhanced interrogation and its role in providing critical intelligence necessary to prevent terrorism at home and abroad.

WHIT JOHNSON: On this Sunday talk shows, former Defense Secretary

Donald Rumsfeld, former Vice President Dick Cheney argued

enhanced-interrogation techniques played a major role in leading up to

the raid on bin Laden's compound.

 

DICK CHENEY (Fox News Sunday): So, it was a good program. It was a

legal program. It was not torture. And I would strongly recommend that

we continue it.

 

WHIT JOHNSON: At the heart of the controversy is a process called

waterboarding or simulated drowning, no longer practiced in the Obama

administration.

 

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA (April 2009): I do believe that it is torture.

 

WHIT JOHNSON: Self-proclaimed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

was waterboarded one hundred eighty-three times. Between 2003 and

2004, Mohammed and another detainee, Abu Faraj al-Libbi, who was not

waterboarded, were questioned about a courier the CIA had learned

about from detainees in secret presence. Mohammad and al-Libbi both

lied about the courier, convincing the CIA he was important. After

years of intelligence gathering, from a variety of sources, that

courier ultimately led directly to the al Qaeda leader.

 

LEON PANETTA (CIA Director; May 3): The question that everybody will

always debate is whether or not those approaches had to be used in

order to get the same information. And that, frankly, is an open

question.

 

 

MATTHEW ALEXANDER (Former Senior Military Interrogator Operations Task

Force): I saw people using enhanced-interrogation techniques they

never worked.

 

WHIT JOHNSON: Author and former senior military interrogator Matthew

Alexander was involved in more than thirteen hundred interrogations in

Iraq in 2006. He says aggressive techniques are not only wrong, they

can be a waste of valuable time.

 

MATTHEW ALEXANDER: I watched a soldier, he grabbed a detainee that I

was interrogating and-- and began to choke him. And I had to

physically intervene to stop him and then my detainee quit talking.

 

 

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