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UPDATE: BBC experiments with 1080p broadcasts on Freeview HD - but viewers complain of audio dropouts

20 May 2011

Updated 20.05.11

We've just received an official response from the BBC and Sony following the publication of our story yesterday. In a statement on its UK website , Sony says:

"The BBC has introduced dynamic picture switching to improve picture quality during programme broadcasts, this has unexpectedly created a problem with an audio drop out, on the 2010 and 2011 Sony Bravia TVs.
 
"Sony is testing a fix to this problem, and we will have more information within the next seven to 10 days, as there are other countries with HD broadcasts, we are checking to ensure that they are not affected by any changes made.
 
"This fix will improve the transition from 1080i to 1080p and back, to ensure the audio, picture and data information are not interrupted.
 
We thank you for your patience and will update the forum once we have confirmation of the fix and its availability to all our customers."

At the same time, we've received this statement from the BBC:

"The BBC worked closely with receiver manufacturers ahead of these changes to investigate any interoperability issues. 

"A small number of issues were found and some manufacturers issued fixes to alleviate those problems. We always seek to ensure we provide high quality services to viewers whatever equipment they choose to use to view them and regret that some viewers are experiencing problems.

"The BBC continues to work closely with all the manufacturers."

 

Published 19.05.11

A move by the BBC to begin broadcasting some material on Freeview HD in 1080p (progressive) rather than the more usual 1080i (interlaced) mode has caused audio dropout problems on some TVs.

We were alerted to the problem by poster Hugh1 on our Forums , who has experienced intermittent sound on his 2010 Sony TV since the Beeb made a software upgrade to the encoder it uses for Freeview HD transmissions in March.

A similar complaint has arisen on Sony UK's Forum, where poster Chris has highlighted the same problem on his Sony KDL-EX503, and the BBC has received additional complaints.

Writing in his Research & Development blog , the BBC's Ant Miller provides an explanation of the changes made by the Beeb after the software upgrade on March 22-23.

"The Freeview HD platform has always been specified to provide a 1080p25 capability.  This is why set-top boxes are mandated to have a 1080p50 output to enable seamless up-conversion to a mode which is guaranteed to be present in all display devices. 

"A great deal of material is shot natively at 1080p25 and there are significant advantages in maintaining 1080p25 through to the viewer's display. 

"Within a single programme interlaced may be used for moving credits, cross-fades and studio shots whereas progressive may be used for location shot material. Up until now this capability has not been exploited and 1080p25 material was encoded using a 1080i25 encoding mode. 

"But after a software upgrade on the 22nd/23rd March the HD encoder supporting BBC HD on Freeview HD has been set-up to automatically detect progressive material and change encoding mode appropriately.

"The encoded bitstream can only change at each GOP boundary to ensure decoders maintain a consistent display. This means that each coded video sequence either contains interlaced or progressive picture struct values within the bitstream. 

"The transitions between interlaced and progressive modes are entirely dependent upon how a programme has been made."

It is this auto-switching between progressive and interlaced modes that seems to be causing the audio dropout.

BBC viewers responding to Miller's blog have experienced picture and sound dropouts, particularly on some Sony TVs such as the KDL-40EX403 and KDL-37EX403, making some programmes "unwatchable".

Have you experienced this problem? If so, let us know in the comments box below.

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I have a Sony 32EX503 & today while watching the lunchtime BBC1 HD news channel noticed some sound dropouts.

My wife and I have noticed drop outs and inconsistencies in the sound levels recently on the two BBC HD channels. We have a Sony 40EX503.

My Sony 40EX403 is having the exact same issue on the BBC hd channel, hope there is a firmware upgrade by Sony soon!

Same problem with my Sony 40EX503. Sound cuts on the BBC HD Channal only though. Time it was fixed!

When will sky be doing 1080p?

Don't know about Sky, will try and find out.

Excuse my ignorance, so are we now saying that the Beeb are broadcasting in 1080p on a regular basis?

Guess I need to do a Freeview software update to pick up these new broadcasts then ?

Not sure exactly how often they're broadcasting 1080p material, but yes, they are using it within certain programmes and particularly for location shot scenes.

I too get sound drop outs and my tv is a Panasonic TH42 PX70.

I too am experancing audio drop out on my Sony KDL46HX803.

I have picture blackouts lasting 1-2 seconds on my Toshiba WL768 TV while watching BBC HD. Other HD channels are fine. I believe this is a related issue.

What a mess for weeks the BBC said it was Sonys problem, Sony said at first there was no problem then said the BBC "was just testing", then Sony say we are working on a fix but have no fix date. All this time set users have to put up with the problem... nice

Sony have put out at least 2 firmware updates since the problem first showed itself. Did the updates solve the problem no.

All in all a very poor show from both Sony and the BBC

I've noticed the sound drop out on my KDL40EX603 coincides with the picture switching between 1080i and 1080p

All I can say is that the interoperability tests couldn't have amounted to much or if they did the results were ignored. If Sony said there were problems, what were the BBC doing in proceeding?

Thanks What HiFi for getting this out into the open.

I'm afraid both the BBC and Sony have been nothing short of contemptuous of postings for people like me who actually pay for the product.

I wonder how Sony justify retailing Freeview HD products that they know are faulty, and have done so for two months now?

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I'm afraid both the BBC and Sony have been nothing short of contemptuous of postings for people like me who actually pay for the product.

I wonder how Sony justify retailing Freeview HD products that they know are faulty, and have done so for two months now?"

 

Well said on both points

Its an anoying problem, but lets give the BBC some credit. At least they are trying / looking at ways to increase quality. Its obviously a teething / technical  problem, if its mostly with Sony T.V's.

Hopefully it will be sorted soon.