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Today's Topics

1. Re Copyright problems (Achal Prabhala)

Message 1 Date Wed, 11 May 2011 092120 +0530 From Achal Prabhala <aprabhala@gmail.com> Subject Re [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright problems To Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID <4DCA07B8.8010702@gmail.com> Content-Type text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

In India, and in many countries outside the US, the concept of fair use is referred to as 'fair dealing' - the terms are analogous, but not exactly similar. In India, the copyright act outlines fair dealing principles in Sec 52, and if you would like to see the old and new provisions under this section, refer to

Current Indian copyright law (with suggested amendments from government and civil society) http//www.altlawforum.org/intellectual-property/advocacy/proposed-amendment-to-the-copyright-act-1957

• [http//www.cis-india.org/advocacy/ipr/upload/amended-copyright-act Proposed amended copyright law (soon to be tabled in parliament)]

While under fair dealing it is possible to 'use' an image without permission under prescribed circumstances, this naturally does not mean that a user is free to change the licensing terms of the image. My understanding is that to upload an image on to Wikimedia Commons, the image licensing terms are fairly strict and clear; either it has to be out of copyright (i.e. its copyright term is verifiably over) or it has to be licensed CC BY SA, GFDL or Public Domain. So, in short, the concept of fair use/ fair dealing is inapplicable to Wikimedia Commons and doesn't help there in any way.

English Wikipedia allows for non-Wikimedia Commons images to be used in articles under fair use/ fair dealing, so that is an option that is option that is open to you as well when working there. Furthermore, all Indic language Wikipedias can also set a similar policy (i.e. allow for image use on the language Wikipedia through fair dealing) - so that is something that you and others might want to consider - I don't know what the current policies across Indic language Wikipedias are. This is one way to bypass both (a) the copyright policies set by Wikimedia Commons and (b) the difficulty in establishing copyright provenance in images of Indian religious iconography.

Fair dealing provisions in India are quite wide, and would allow you to use a wide set of commonly available images for illustrative purposes only - though you could seek specialised legal help if you want full clarity.

Cheers, Achal

On Wednesday 11 May 2011 0902 AM, Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia wrote Dear All, Thanks for beginning discussion on this important topic,Pandarpur and God Viththal is very old and very central to Marathi and Maharashtra culture, I still remember few years back I failed to upload an image of God Vitthala of Pandharpur on commons, subsequently some one succeeded to upload an image under proper license.

While it is true that we need to believe in people, I have very closely observed quite a few people selecting some license for the sake of it or just to retain the image. While it is true that now that Vithathal image is there on wikipedia pages,still I am not sure how far legal it is??

while god is one or many, for Indian Legal system idols in temples are treated as person and those are public places but not necessarily in public domain per say, many temples across India you will notice having notice boards which strictly prohibit taking a photo graph of the idol and temple; I dont know why this system exist in the temple but when it is there we are supposed to comply the law.

Why we need to be concerned??

So an image coming without permission from temple authority is anyway illegal.What we need to understand is not that we are concerned about copy right for the sake of it, we ( commons/wikipedia) are concerned of the issue because we just do not want to do a collection of information and knowledge, but we share, and we do not want just share through wikipedia site but we want wikipedias to be a vehicle of knowledge sharing where other medias of communication can come forward to take this info and knowledge to masses. When we share info knowledge with other media people, they will do so only if they are assured that material available at wikipedias is legal enough.

There is total lack of awareness , concern and sensitivity and above all Law is a complex subject. Given that, the funny thing is you go to a person with a request to make otherwise an unimportant thing copy right free he may not co-operate ask you thousand frustrating questions, but the same fellow you may find,floating copy-right of others happily every now and then

At Wikipedia for many Indians, it is there first time in life time that some one is asking them about copy right, they are simply surprised in disbelief and usually they are so passionate about their subject at their hand at least until they receive several requests/warnings they happily tend to ignore such communications .

And why not so?? just few years back,to write copyright related help pages (on marathi wikipedia), I thought to procure few Copyright related books from the market, In Pune I went from shop to shop what I could get just a bare act copy.Only one shop was carrying book with detail commentary and the price he told me for the same was just Rs 12000!.Then at least for few months I tried to get an appointment with a law college principal and simply all that effort turned out to be futile without getting an appointment ever.

Servers are in USA! So can I bypass the Indian laws?? Again I see a huge number of people using fair use clause for uploading images on Wikipedia, and that too under provisions of non-Indian laws?! Whether servers are in USA and some thing is legal under their law suffice the requirements of Indian Laws?? When a kite is floating from Indian soil to out of India border or a kite is floating in Indian sky from out side India,is it not an Indian law, at least to all Indian subjects, is supposed to get applied??

Accepted that intellectual property acts in most countries are similar now a days but those simply can not be the same because laws are subject to final definition by supreme judiciary of each country independently.

How fair is the fair use under Indian Laws?

While I dont have a detail commentary of Indian Copy right law , what I read until now is bare copyright law .My understanding is while Indian Copy Right act has provisions of fair dealing but those concessions are largely for educational and restricted community performances. While Wikipedia has educational component and non profit but we are not a website that restricts other making profit from the info available on it so in perfect sense we are not supposed to get concessions on account of fair use/deal under present Indian Copy right act; unless owner of the copyright himself permits such usage.

Similar to commons,unlike to english wikipedia, I have kept a proposal on Marathi Wikipedia to bar usage of fair use provision since according to me we (wikipedia and indic wikipedians) are not supposed to benefit any concession under Indian Copyright fair use clause. We do lack enough legal expertise at mr-wiki community,so inputs on this issue from other indic wikipedians are most welcome ,imporant and will be valuable to us all.

Look forward to read more opinions on above issues and continued discussion of copyright subject on this forum

Thanks

Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia

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Unless we work out official policy it can not be included in appropriate help and guidance pages templates and messages that is why I did put up a proposal up there , still I feel all the people need to consider it seriously ???????? ??:??, ? ?? ???? (UTC)

Your proposal has my support, however, such things can not be "legislated" or enforced unless and until we have a buy-off from users. This being an open forum for crowd-sourced content, no amount of rules and regulations will stop people from doing what they're doing. Polite (and sometimes a bit stern) requests will hopefully make our editors realize the point we're trying to make.

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