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A third opinion would be appreciated at
Talk:Model#Hatnote
.
Certes
(
talk
) 21:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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- A fourth opinion would be useful too! A tenacious editor has a firm opinion on why our normal hatnote practices should not apply to that article. If they're right then I'd appreciate someone explaining the reasons more clearly.
Certes
(
talk
) 12:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Would it be appropriate to merge the
Robert Carroll
and
Bob Carroll
disambiguation pages?
There is at least one entry (
Bobby Carroll
) perhaps legitimately on both; and a couple others (
Robert L. Carroll
,
Robert Todd Carroll
) on both that perhaps should be only on one.
By way of comparison,
James Lovell (disambiguation)
includes both Jims and Jameses;
Michael Collins
includes Michaels, Mikes, and Micks. Sticking within the Robert/Bob world,
Robert Blake
and
Robert Green (disambiguation)
lump Roberts, Bobs, Robbies and Robs together; but on the other hand,
Robert Hill
and
Bobby Hill
are distinct DAB pages.
TJRC
(
talk
) 22:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I would leave them as they are. Although all the Bobs are named Robert (possibly excepting the actor/singer), it seems more likely they would be sought by readers under Bob and would therefore be easier to find on a dab page devoted to Bobs. Robert L. Carroll and Robert Todd Carroll were both sometimes also known as Bob, so should be on both pages. Bobby Carroll is an unambiguous title with no evidence he was called Bob, so should probably just be a See Also on each page. I don't think there's any strong consensus about one way or the other, though.
Station1
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) 01:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I agree with the "sought by readers under Bob" bit, but the merged-from page would be a redirect to the merged-to page, so those doing the seeking would land on the appropriate page in any event. Not arguing for the merge, just giving my line of thinking.
TJRC
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talk
) 01:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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- True, they would land on the appropriate page, but my thinking is that it's slightly easier to peruse the four Bobs in a row on the Bob Carroll page than 11 mixed Bobs, Roberts and Bobby on a merged page. The difference is very minor in cases with a moderate number of names, like this, so I don't think it makes a great deal of difference, but it might in longer lists.
Station1
(
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) 02:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I'll leave it be, then. Thanks for the discussion.
TJRC
(
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) 19:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Blagger&redirect=no
seems weird that it doesn't link or disambig to
Blagger (video game)
. Not sure how to mark a page for "Disambig page needed".
Oathed
(
talk
) 20:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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- "Blagging" refers to a social engineering technique (
[1]
), and at the time the redirect was placed,
that was reflected in the
Social engineering (security)
article.
- My own view is that
Blagger (video game)
should be moved to
Blagger
(there appears to be no other article called "Blagger", so the disambiguation parenthetical is not needed), optionally with a
{{
about
}}
hatnote along the lines of {{about||the social engineering technique|Social engineering (security)}} (assuming the "blagging" information is added to that article, which seems appropriate).
TJRC
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talk
) 20:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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- @
TJRC
while you were writing that comment, I've nominated the redirect for discussion at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 18#Blagger
. I agree the video game seems the primary topic.
- @
Oathed
in general if you think a redirect should be replaced by a disambiguation page, you can just overwrite the redirect with the disambiguation page. If you aren't sure or aren't able to do that yourself for some reason then the best thing to do is to nominate the redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion
. If no page exists and you don't want to/aren't able to create one yourself you can request a disambig at
Wikipedia:Requested articles
.
Thryduulf
(
talk
) 20:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Aliu
is a DAB, but (after considerable work finding all of those people!) find that it only seems to be used as a name, and in its capitalised form as an acronym. I was going to go ahead and create a name set index page, but then realised that would only leave those two entries, distinguished by case only. Is there any kind of rule about what to do in this instance? Or, alternatively, what would you prefer to see? Or just let it be and forget about it?
Laterthanyouthink
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) 09:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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- My first thought is make
Aliu
the name set index and use a hatnote to link to the acronym usage. Redirect
ALIU
to the expansion of the acronym and add a hatnote to the name page from there.
Thryduulf
(
talk
) 10:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Actually seeing
ALIU
was red, I've created it as a redirect to
Art Looting Investigation Unit
and added the hatnote, although the wording of the latter could probably be improved.
Thryduulf
(
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) 10:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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- @
Thryduulf
Looks good. I was thinking on the same lines.
Pam
D
11:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Though the target article of
ALIU
needed a bit of attention! Had a ludicrously long "short" description, and the lead gave no clue which country had set it up. Now tweaked.
Pam
D
11:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Thanks,
Thryduulf
and
PamD
. I think I'd better remove the capitalised version and convert the DAB page into a set index one now.
Laterthanyouthink
(
talk
) 01:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Oh, it was already, but I just moved the ALIU into See alsos and changed the wording at the top to read that Aliu is a name.
Laterthanyouthink
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) 01:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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i guess
Pratapsingh
page could be moved to Pratap Singh. becuase Pratap is First Nameand Singh is Middle or Last Name. there should be a space between these two (?)
KuldeepBurjBhalaike
(
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03:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- It looks as if we have duplicate dab pages
Pratapsingh
and
Pratap Singh
. I don't know which title is more appropriate.
Pam
D
04:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I have now redirected
Pratapsingh
to
Pratap Singh
, which has much higher pageviews, removed duplicate entries, added missing dates, and sorted the list into chronological order as more likely to help the reader where there are so many variations of spelling/spacing.
Pam
D
09:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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There is a requested move discussion at
Talk:Small form factor (desktop and motherboard)#Requested move 3 June 2024
that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ?
Alalch E.
11:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hi folks-
Right now,
Saint Sophia Cathedral
is a disambiguation page, but
Saint Sophia Cathedral (disambiguation)
redirects to
List of churches dedicated to Holy Wisdom
(which is a list, not a dab page). I think it should instead redirect to the dab page? It looks like
Saint Sophia Cathedral
was itself a redirect to
List of churches dedicated to Holy Wisdom
up until May of this year, but was (re)made into a dab page without bringing along the
Saint Sophia Cathedral (disambiguation)
redirect? I think that probably the "...(disambiguation)" redirect should just be updated, but I wanted to check here because this seemed like a kind of complicated situation. Thanks for any assistance!
Cleancutkid
(
talk
) 03:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I've retargetted it. If there is a disambiguation page at X then X (disambiguation) should redirect there.
Thryduulf
(
talk
) 07:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- There's also interestingly a dab page
Saint Sophia Church
which probably ought to be merged with
List of churches dedicated to Holy Wisdom
. Some of them may indeed be dedicated not to "holy wisdom" but to
Sophia of Rome
, but the churches listed in her article include
Santa Sofia, Naples
which is in the "List of..." but not the dab page, so I don't think there is any meaningful distinction, and they should all be bundled into the list as is usual for church dab pages where "Church of x" and "X church" are brought together, with all their variations of St/St./Saint and often with the international spellings of the saint's name (see
St._Andrew's_Church#Italy
). On the other hand, that list isn't formatted as a standard church name dab. I'm sure there's a churches enthusiast around here who will sort this lot out!
Pam
D
08:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- And
Sophienkirche (disambiguation)
might go into the mix.
Pam
D
08:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the retargetting, @
Thryduulf
!
- Yes, there are a number of different semi-overlapping pages, which I know that I found confusing to navigate when I was trying to sort out the links, and I think readers might find tough, too. I think there are 5 dab pages:
- plus two lists:
- Cleancutkid
(
talk
) 05:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- please note that
Saint Sophia
refers not only to
Holy Wisdom
but also to a number of saints. In my opinions mix all together is not useful for the navigation and the page
List of churches dedicated to Holy Wisdom
is not clear.
MrKeefeJohn
(
talk
) 08:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I beg to differ: most readers looking for information about a church named after Saint Sophia will not know whether the edifice is dedicated to Holy Wisdom or to one of the saints named Sophia, and merging all the church dab pages would make it easier to find what they are looking for.
Rosbif73
(
talk
) 08:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @
MrKeefeJohn
, I agree that
List of churches dedicated to Holy Wisdom
is not useful/clear as it was/is, so I appreciate that you separated out the
Saint Sophia Cathedral
dab page. I don't think that everything should be thrown onto one super-long page, but that there should be some intentional thought put into what churches show up on what lists/dab pages (and making sure that things link to each other, which was sometimes not the case).
- I don't have much experience with figuring out what the scope of dab pages like this should be (why I brought it up here), but ideally they can work well for both future readers (who, as @
Rosbif73
mentioned, may not know who/what the church was dedicated to) and future editors to keep the pages making sense.
Cleancutkid
(
talk
) 05:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Add
Santa Sofia
to the mix - includes the Italian churches, whether they're dedicated to saint or to wisdom!
Pam
D
14:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- And although
Church of God's Holy Wisdom
was an alternative name already bolded in the text of
Hagia Sophia
, there was no redirect from that term until I created it a few minutes ago, pointing to that article and relying on the hatnote there to lead the reader to an appropriate dab page for any other similarly-named church. Ouch.
Pam
D
15:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- There's also a
List of churches in Sofia
, Bulgaria?? most of which are dedicated to other saints, but which could be possible targets for "Sophia church". FWIW I've added this to the
Sofia Church (disambiguation) §?See also
.
Rosbif73
(
talk
) 08:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Hagia Sophia (disambiguation)
needs some attention anyway - not a nicely-formatted MOS:DAB-compliant dab page, with a long preamble and various piped entries (eg under Greece).
Pam
D
14:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I simplified the preamble and some of the entries (removed piping etc.)
Jahmefyysikko
(
talk
) 16:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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There is a requested move discussion at
Talk:Madonna#Requested move 1 June 2024
that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.
Dawid2009
(
talk
) 15:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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There is a requested move discussion at
Talk:Konkani (disambiguation)#Requested move 5 June 2024
that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.
Векочел
(
talk
) 14:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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There is a requested move discussion at
Talk:Rado?? (disambiguation)#Requested move 4 June 2024
that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.
Safari Scribe
Edits!
Talk!
16:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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I have been reverted repeatedly on dab
Imperial University
and would welcome a third opinion as to how
MOS:DABONEBLUE
applies there.
Certes
(
talk
) 15:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- For Japan, I would list only
Imperial Universities
and the
University of Tokyo
(which, as the first imperial university in Japan, was originally given that name). The others are
WP:PTM
.
Dekimasu
よ!
00:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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