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These whole boxer articles are far from observing NPOV. See also
Wilfredo Benitez
or
Wilfredo Gomez
. Unfortunately I don't know enough on boxing to fix it.
Could the author of these articles please try to focus on facts and not on his own oppinions? The facts presented seem to be very well researched. --
JeLuF
20:42 Sep 9, 2002 (UTC)
Its hard to find positive POVs due to the fact that Ruiz is pretty much disliked by boxing fans, mainstream fans, and boxing experts and writers alike (including me).
Maya Levy
06:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
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It's a very telling fact that people dismiss Ruiz's style as a simple 'jab and grab' style to explain his unpopularity, when one of the best boxers in history, Bernard Hopkins (longtime unified middleweight and current [July 06] light heavyweight Ring Magazine Champion) used a similar style. Ruiz is almost universally hated in the boxing community, something that probably has to do with the utter lack of exciting names in the heavyweight division when he boxed, since the retirement of Lennox Lewis, who was also somewhat unpopular among fans, due to his extremely technical--one might say boring--style.
If John Ruiz had been born ten years earlier, he would have been considered something like a Trevor Berbick--a champion on paper who never really proved himself among great heavyweights. As it stands he is an unpopular boxer who has fared well against decent--but not great--opposition, which creates a natural dislike for someone who is supposedly 'The Champ'.
All things considered, Ruiz is a good boxer, but there will never be a popular point of view considering him a legitimate champion.
- It's a bit inaccurate to compare Hopkins' style to Ruiz's. Even the older Hopkins, to put it simply, moved a lot more than Ruiz ever did. Hopkins was a very defensive fighter, some might say boring, who would lay back and use his reach, since he was a big middleweight, to force his opponent into facing the options of either sitting back and getting hit with jabs, or rushing forward in an attempt to catch Hopkins. Those who rushed forward were often then sitting ducks for Hopkins, who could pick his spots very well. (Admittedly, as he got older, Hopkins would do less jabbing and a lot more looking at his opponent, trying just to outwait them.) Ruiz, on the other hand, would slog forward, throw a few punches, and then hold. While Ruiz used this style to a decent level of success, you can make the argument that had more referees penalized him for holding, which you're not supposed to do in boxing, he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did. Calling him a "good boxer" is therefore open to debate.
Also, on a topic we might actually agree on, shouldn't there be more discussion of Norman Stone in this article? Love him or hate him, he's a memorable figure in Ruiz's career.
HandsomeSam57
00:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I've watched plenty of Ruiz's fights (unfortunately), and he doesn't just simply grab, he holds...... for a while.... until the referee does something. Instead of using actual boxing skill, Ruiz tries to use the discrepancy of the referee to his advantage (which most referees currently allow alot of holding). A great example is his fight with
James Toney
. When he couldn't hang w/Toney using boxing skills, he reverted back to his "hugging" style. Heavyweights today, don't engage in the inside much, instead they go into what
Teddy Atlas
calls "quiet agreements" because holding doesn't exert much energy.
Maya Levy
23:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
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It says
Total fights 50
Wins 415
Wins by KO 28
Losses 7
Draws 1
No contests 1
does anyone else spot the mistake he has won more fights than he has fought in. Could someone please change it unless they is a reason for it. I am sorry I arn't doing it myself but I dont know the stats.
mattypc
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Why is he frequently shown with the Puerto Rican flprominentlyag next to his name on Wikipedia if he's American?
Jason Quinn
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- Indeed, this article just an unsourced mention that he is of PR ancestry, besides PR related categories and
see also
links. I've removed that for now. When someone works an "
Early life
" section that somehow establishes a relevant connection between this man and Puerto Rico, they can come back. --
damiens.rf
18:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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- Re-added because the ESPN reference mentions it.
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The Eloquent Peasant
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References
- ^
Rafael, Dan.
"Ex-champ Ruiz retires from boxing"
.
ESPN
. Retrieved
30 September
2016
.
Ruiz, whose family is from Puerto Rico, has lived and trained in Las Vegas for the past several years, but he said he plans to return to the Boston area he was closely associated with during his career.
Correct me if I am wrong, but last I checked, 'latino' was not a race and it really has no meaning. How could this man be the first 'latino' HW champ then?
- Latino
, people in the U.S. with ties to Latin America.--
The Eloquent Peasant
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