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What about
Battersea Wanderers
?
- They play at the 12th level of English football. I think that's a little deep to include, no?
BillyBatty
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Not sure what you mean by 'no' but they won the FA Cup five times, they should be in the most succesful clubs table.
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Watford F.C.
- EXCLUDED - from
Watford's
Wikipedia entry: "Watford is a town and district in Hertfordshire, UK, situated 34 km (21 miles) northwest of London and within the bounds of the M25 motorway. The borough lies just to the north of Greater London, but is not part of it"
GiantSnowman
21:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Include
- The visitlondon and allinlondon websites (both used as references for this article) describe Watford as a London club, a term which appears to apply to all teams within the M25.
Grunners
19:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Exclude
- Ask any Watford fan whether they are a London club or not. -
fchd
03:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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- See my comment above, it is far easier if we simply take the area within the M25. And as your comment on Wimbledon below rightly shows, what a club's fans may think is not always the neutral truth!
Grunners
20:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Exclude
- It doesn't matter what visitlondon or the allinlondon websites show, Watford is NOT in London, and therefore should not appear here. The M25 is immaterial.
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- Unsure
- I see this is an old debate! A reason for including it would be that it is both within the M25 and within the built-up area of London (i.e. there is no countryside between London and Watford), and London Underground does go to Watford; a reason for excluding it would be that it is administratively outside of Greater London (although administrative boundaries don't always reflect reality/mentality). Best thing would be to see what Watford fans consider themselves as, as fchd says. I think most don't like to consider themselves as London (
see this forum
) but some London newspapers do put them in bold in the league table along with other London clubs - go figure! as one fan on the forum says - they "have the best of both worlds". I think it could be mentioned somewhere in the article that "Watford FC is sometimes considered by the media as a London club because of its proximity to the capital, but many if not most of the club's fans do not share this view [cite above forum]", or something along these lines. Any thoughts?
BigSteve
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Should the table of clubs be organised alphabetically or chronologically (date of foundation)?
GiantSnowman
16:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I'd say alphabetically is always best, as everyone can then find the team they want easily. Alphabetical within the leagues they are in, or just plain alphabetical though?
Grunners
18:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Alphabetical overall, as it will be save us updating the table when teams are promoted/relegated
GiantSnowman
19:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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- agreed, already had that problem whilst creating the table from the old style list
Grunners
14:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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Done. Was unsure about
A.F.C. Wimbledon
. Any other club with the AFC/FC preceeding the name would ignore the AFC/FC part, but with this club it is such an integral part of the name in order to distinguish it from the older team. At present have put it under 'W' though.
Grunners
15:09, 15 February 2007
- Thank you, was about to do it myself! I think that AFC Wimbledon should be under 'W', as is considered the descendant of the original Wimbledon side
GiantSnowman
16:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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- They are NOT considered as the descendant of the original Wimbledon side by most statisticians, or the F.A. or the Football League. -
fchd
03:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Agreed, to be seen as the continuation, they need the FA to rule that they are the original club's incarnation, as clubs that have disbanded and restarted must do. This will be very unlikely to happen whilst the Dons survive.
Grunners
20:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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The table list the clubs down to
Step 4
of the
National League System
. We could go further, but then where do we stop, this seems a natural break as the last of the divisions containing any semi-pro teams (I believe). However, this does mean having to alter the table once a year, but this must be better than having an endless list?
Grunners
21:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Maybe only include teams which already have a Wikipedia page, meaning that they have met notability guidelines?
GiantSnowman
13:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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- In that case, we go at least a 'step' lower, to the
Essex League
and
Kent League
.
Grunners
14:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I think you'll find that most, if not all, of the Step 5 teams are semi-professional, as well as an awful lot of the Step 6 clubs. -
fchd
17:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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http://www.tff.org/default.aspx?pageID=522
you can sort here. there are 22 professional teams from istanbul as of 2008/09 season (in turkey top 4 levels are professional)
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As soon as the season plays out, time to update this page. West Ham may go down (probably), and QPR of course will be in the prem for next season. We’ll finish the rest soon too (AFC Wimbleton, etc) once the play-offs in all the leagues and non-leagues are done. It’ll be fun! BTW, wonder if we should create other pages like this one (for
Greater Manchester
,
West Midlands
, etc.). Just a thought. --
Rob
NS
04:11, 9 May 2011 (Urking
Should we not include
Woking F.C.
, since they share a ground with
Hayes & Yeading United F.C.
, which IS included in the London list. Please advise. --
Rob
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20:51, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
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- Be bold
, and add them with a note confirming why they are included.
Giant
Snowman
22:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
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As of 1968, the
Fairs Cup
was
based on league position - I think we should include the stats for that later period
in this section
.
BigSteve
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This article consistently states that there are 14 professional clubs in London. Although there are indeed 14
league
clubs (or 15 if Watford are included, but let's not go there now), aren't Conference club
Hayes & Yeading
fully-professional as well? --
Skysmurf?
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14:57, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
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Persons interested in developing the various football related pages on London Wiki are welcome: the main page is here
[1]
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Jackiespeel
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I tried to include it on the map. I got the red dot to show, but not the link.
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London football stadia
The article already has two rather similar maps, but I wondered if this interactive map of the football stadia in London might be useful. It can be customised further if there is interest.
Jts1882
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- Great idea, but what about grounds like
Invicta Ground
,
The Athletic Grounds
,
Memorial Grounds
,
Croydon Common Athletic Ground
,
White City Stadium
? Just limiting past stadia to most well known/recent or being comprehensive and including all early ones?
TheLostBoy
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- These can be added. There are three ways of adding data. It can be added explicitly using parameters in the template (see
{{
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) or using a subpages of the module that runs the template. The third way is the simplest and uses Wikidata. All that is needed is to add
|stadium99=Invicta Ground
and it will work if Wikidata has the information. It might need adding coordinates to Wikidata.
- I've added the five stadia you mention to the demo (see
{{
Football map/demo
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with a different symbol. Four appear using just Wikidata, although only White City gets an image in the popup window.
The Athletic Grounds
doesn't have coordinates at
wikidata:Q16632730
so these need adding either at Wikidata or to the template.
Jts1882
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- P.S. For a more extensive stadium map see the one in
List of football stadiums in England
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What are opinions on adding
Full Members' Cup
and
Football League Centenary Trophy
wins to the totals?
Crowsus
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